Peter Tessier: 2nd Loss in a row- questions for team and coach Jets lose a game many believe they should have won but it's how they adapt and move forward that will be the real story.

some thoughts,

-I agree with what Ultimate said on the last thread, Hendricks needs to be in and out of the line up. He is not anywhere near as valuable as Jets nation paints him nor is he as bad as Rexy thinks. We will never know the true value he brings whenhe is in the line up, but he is our worst forward

-Rexy, I'm not going to continue discussing Dano but Copp is no where near lowry's value. Copp ( and tanev for that matter )has had at least 1-2 glorious opportunities in the last two games to score and change momentum and he has failed. Copp, Tanev and Mathias are exactly the same when it comes to goal scoring prowess, and that's not good!!

-Comrie is not ready, I still like him very much!!!! but am very happy we signed Mason for two years. Comrie needs the time.

-Rexy, Enstrom is not as good as you think, Kulikov is not as bad. I am not a Myers fan and if a team would give us good value its a trade we should make!!!

-we are wasting a critical year for Poolman and need to get him ice time. Chairot is not that great. he is better than postma but still a 7th D.

-time for Chevy to make some moves!!! we are close and need our GM to stop being gun shy. Copp, Tanev, Armia, Petan, Mathias, Myers, Dano, can all be moved or swapped in and out with what we have on the Moose.

-I loved Connor's tenacity last night and really like his work effort!! he is a gem

- I am at a loss to explain Trouba's play but he is far from elite this season. Rexy you can not rip players you don't like and continue to defend Trouba, you are an analytics gut and kulikov has had better analytics than trouba more often than not this season. maybe he just doesn't want to be here??? I don't care what is reported, we don't know the truth!!!

Comrie is not really a concern, unless we have a rash of goalie injuries. Mason has a 2 year contract, and I am not sure that he is tradeable next season.
Unless we trade a RHD for a LHD, we are stuck with Enstrom.
If I was Chevy, I would be looking to get some salaries off of the payroll - Matthias and Dano come to mind. Pretty sure that we could bring up someone from the Moose to be the extra forward.

Comrie is not really a concern, unless we have a rash of goalie injuries. Mason has a 2 year contract, and I am not sure that he is tradeable next season.
Unless we trade a RHD for a LHD, we are stuck with Enstrom.
If I was Chevy, I would be looking to get some salaries off of the payroll - Matthias and Dano come to mind. Pretty sure that we could bring up someone from the Moose to be the extra forward.
- bennythehat

mathias and dano are not in our future plans, plus they really make no money. If he could trade them he would. I wouldn't want someone on the moose to rot in the press box like Poolman, that's a waste!!!

Ross. You saved me a lot of writing ...thx. I agree with you on almost all those points with exception of two.

1) I have said all along that Hendricks should and will play 40-45 games this year and that is all I expected of him. It seems he is playing more than that pace right now and that needs to be rectified somewhat so he can stay "fresh".

2) I think its too early to panic and start trading roster players. Select guys on the Moose or in the press box or draft picks , maybe, but then we lose those leverage chips later when the trading deadline offers start coming. Better to wait until then or if we get into injury problems.

100% agree with everything else.

As for the Jets loss. I blame it 90% on Comrie. He let in at least three goals that should have never happened and his rebound control and his recovery to get back into position were borderline terrible. This is a game the Jets should have won that Comrie lost. Better stick with Hellybuyck until Mason gets back or bring up Hutch on some type of emergency basis where he doesn't have to clear waivers on the way back down.

Busy day....nuff said.

Dear Ross77,

My quoting has arbitrarily decided not to work anymore, so I’m writing you a letter for some weird reason.

Enstrom was in the top 25 best defensive players in the league last year. This was using both GAR and WAR. He ranked 21st, with Trouba at 19th. Ellis, Vlasic, and Karlsson were 1-3.

Copp scores goals at a per/60 rate one would expect out of a 2nd liner. He’s fine.

Kulikov and Myers are overexposed, and desperately need to be separated. For all their talents, Kulikov makes horrible decisions away from the puck and in our zone, and Myers does the same all over the ice, puck or no puck. Chairot should also be away from those two as he’s simply an AHLer. I propose (temporarily):
Kulikov-Trouba
Morrissey-Myers
Chiarot-Byfuglien

I’m also starting to lessen my anger st the Hendricks signing. He’s still a brutal 4th liner who struggles to keep up in every situation, but he may very well have changed the entire culture of our team for the better.

Ross. You saved me a lot of writing ...thx. I agree with you on almost all those points with exception of two.

1) I have said all along that Hendricks should and will play 40-45 games this year and that is all I expected of him. It seems he is playing more than that pace right now and that needs to be rectified somewhat so he can stay "fresh".

2) I think its too early to panic and start trading roster players. Select guys on the Moose or in the press box or draft picks , maybe, but then we lose those leverage chips later when the trading deadline offers start coming. Better to wait until then or if we get into injury problems.

100% agree with everything else.

As for the Jets loss. I blame it 90% on Comrie. He let in at least three goals that should have never happened and his rebound control and his recovery to get back into position were borderline terrible. This is a game the Jets should have won that Comrie lost. Better stick with Hellybuyck until Mason gets back or bring up Hutch on some type of emergency basis where he doesn't have to clear waivers on the way back down.

Busy day....nuff said.
- jetsnation

I agree, Hendricks playing 40-45 games would be better, sorry if I missed you writing that.
the only issue I have with waiting to make a move closer to the deadline is typically, prices go up then.

Dear Ross77,

My quoting has arbitrarily decided not to work anymore, so I’m writing you a letter for some weird reason.

Enstrom was in the top 25 best defensive players in the league last year. This was using both GAR and WAR. He ranked 21st, with Trouba at 19th. Ellis, Vlasic, and Karlsson were 1-3.

Copp scores goals at a per/60 rate one would expect out of a 2nd liner. He’s fine.

Kulikov and Myers are overexposed, and desperately need to be separated. For all their talents, Kulikov makes horrible decisions away from the puck and in our zone, and Myers does the same all over the ice, puck or no puck. Chairot should also be away from those two as he’s simply an AHLer. I propose (temporarily):
Kulikov-Trouba
Morrissey-Myers
Chiarot-Byfuglien

I’m also starting to lessen my anger st the Hendricks signing. He’s still a brutal 4th liner who struggles to keep up in every situation, but he may very well have changed the entire culture of our team for the better.
- Rexypoo

I don't hate Enstrom and look forward to his return, I would also trade myers now if there was a good offer. copp is not that good and doesn't produce actual goals anymore than Mathias or tanev

mathias and dano are not in our future plans, plus they really make no money. If he could trade them he would. I wouldn't want someone on the moose to rot in the press box like Poolman, that's a waste!!!
- Ross77

I believe Matthias makes over 2 million this season. OUCH !
Likely not tradeable for that reason, although he is a UFA after this season.

I don't hate Enstrom and look forward to his return, I would also trade myers now if there was a good offer. copp is not that good and doesn't produce actual goals anymore than Mathias or tanev
- Ross77

Trade Myers for Klefbom (if possible). Hypothetically, next year can be:
Klefbom-Trouba
Morrissey-Byfuglien
Enstrom-Poolman

Edmonton would probably hold out for Dano to be included.

Trade Myers for Klefbom (if possible). Hypothetically, next year can be:
Klefbom-Trouba
Morrissey-Byfuglien
Enstrom-Poolman
- Rexypoo

It's not possible, even though Klefbom is having a bad year we are not getting him for him Myers

It's not possible, even though Klefbom is having a bad year we are not getting him for him Myers
- Ross77

Hall for Larsson. Seguin for Eriksson. Wheeler for Peverly. Eberle for Strome. Don’t ever underestimate the stupidity of Peter Chiarielli.

Edmonton would probably hold out for Dano to be included.
- bennythehat

They might. They want scoring forwards, and their idiot GM loves gritty guys.

They might. They want scoring forwards, and their idiot GM loves gritty guys.
- Rexypoo

better question is if Florida wants Hutchinson, how much and who do we have to add to pry away a Trocheck or Barkov?

better question is if Florida wants Hutchinson, how much and who do we have to add to pry away a Trocheck or Barkov?
- Ross77

I'd love to get Trocheck but he is probably on their untouchable list. Barkov is too one dimensional and not a good fit here.

better question is if Florida wants Hutchinson, how much and who do we have to add to pry away a Trocheck or Barkov?
- Ross77

We should pursue neither

time to switch up the lines;

Perrault - Shief - Laine
Ehlers - Little - Wheels
Connor - Lowry - Armia
Copp - hendy - Tanev
(I'm just using the same players as I don't see Maurice swapping anyone in or out )

Morrisey - Buff
Kulikov - Trouba
Poolman - myers

time for Poolman to get in there!!!!

better question is if Florida wants Hutchinson, how much and who do we have to add to pry away a Trocheck or Barkov?
- Ross77

Laine and Ehlers

I'd love to get Trocheck but he is probably on their untouchable list. Barkov is too one dimensional and not a good fit here.
- jetsnation

Barkov is one dimensional? That's an absolutely ridiculous thing to say.

Barkov is one dimensional? That's an absolutely ridiculous thing to say.
- Ratsreign

There are 31 GMs who would give a testicle to have Barkov and in that 31 there are probably 10-15 who would do something else I can't type in this forum to get him.

I'd love to get Trocheck but he is probably on their untouchable list. Barkov is too one dimensional and not a good fit here.
- jetsnation

Calling Barkov one dimensional is hilarious, and I thank you for this.

Edmonton would probably hold out for Dano to be included.
- bennythehat

There are 31 GMs who would give a testicle to have Barkov and in that 31 there are probably 10-15 who would do something else I can't type in this forum to get him.
- Peter.Tessier

I figured I'd get a few replies to that one. I have Barkov in both my pools but mostly for his scoring prowess. There is little doubt that he gets points galore and that he can stickhandle himself out of a shoebox. I liked him enough to draft him in both pools. What I believe he lacks is the complete all around game that Trocheck plays. One of my pools, like most these days, has points for hits, shots, blocked shots, etc. So lets compare the two:

Barkov 10 g 17 a 77 shots 14 hits 19 blocks.
Trocheck 12 g 17 a 94 shots 42 hits 18 blocks

I've watched three or four Panther games this year. Trocheck to me plays like an almost identical player to Matthew Perreault in almost every aspect of his game. A gritty all- around player who can both score, pass, and be in the opposition's face on every shift and every game. I stand by my comment that he would be an untouchable player in Florida.

Barkov however doesn't seem to show up every game and every shift. He is kinda like Laine. It can be crickets for two periods and then he does something amazing and suddenly gets himself a few points. Some games Barkov doesn't seem to show up while others he is amazing. No consistency like that of Trocheck. Thats where "he's too one-dimensional " comment comes in. Yes, I agree that any team would want him but IMHO the Jets were be far far better off with another Matty Perreault in Vincent Trocheck rather than Barkov.

I think we should go after a big fish like Giroux. I am unimpressed with Trouba and think he's more Bogosian v.2.0 and less elite. He would be an ideal piece to move in order to get Giroux.